Everyone needs to pay attention to these former "conversations".It's texbook trolling by you know who.First they try to trap you into an irrelevant discussion of doubletalk.Then once they have you trapped they twist the meaning of your words and lead the conversation in a direction that serves them.By deception and manipulation they transform the whole premise of meaning to their own ends.They will play on your emotions to get you to make yourself appear to be the unreasonable one.They have a sickness that is beneath our contempt.Pity them. ivan here is more troubled than most,in that he actually believes his own lies and considers them effective.He doesn't even suspect his own transparency or the ludicrous,infantile nature of his own behavior.Probably over "educated" (or programmed is a better word) to the point of abject ignorance.Pitiful indeed.This is how they operate,take note,and when you meet them use simple talk.Stand in your power and speak the truth consistantly,they are indefensible in the light of it. Ridiculous nonsense exposed. Real People do not communicate this way.
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